That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. I wanted to go to church but was not able to. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. Then you have churches with no standards . (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. 2. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). 34. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. Scripture is Good! The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. This Bible is preserved for the English speaking world without error in the King James Version. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. Some true, some not so much. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. So I did. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Hypocrites! I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. I dont know what Daves intentions were. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. 53. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. I have attended an IB Church my entire life (34 years). Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. We cant save people, only God can. If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. 47. 22. 32. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. 2. Oh well, maybe another discussion. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? WebGetting to it. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. What a stupid thing to say. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 55. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. I have no opinion on this Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. My birth mother is a Catholic she didnt raise me. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. 19 How blind! No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. God forgave my husband through Christ. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. They bought your loyalty. Its my calling and my ministry. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. Do you find them so humorous ? If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. Yes, see my answer to your first question. Well I am a little confused. We had no money.. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. You can be a better Christian IF you repent of your sins and turn away from them and if you can grow spiritually. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Hypocrites! We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. They had made an idol out of church attendance. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friends eye. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. I love psychology and I love my bible I use them together with Discernment from the Holy Spirit. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. Gods will was for me to forgive. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. We had no money. I assure you that Im living exactly how God wants me to be living and Im doing it outside of the IFB (yes it can be done LOL). We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. 7 You hypocrites! They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. 5. [4] Anderson has also produced videos in which he attacks the religion of Judaism and questions the official account of the Holocaust. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. 30. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. N/A 5 Hypocrite! I know the answers now. We ARE the church my friend! You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. I dont know your past, but I know mine and it aint righteous. If you think anything other than a suit and tie for men is too casual for Sundays, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 11. Hope you have a great day! You got me I am an IFB college grad. Great job adding a bit of levity! Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. 29. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Praise the lord for giving it to us. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? Its NOT ABOUT US! The bitterness argument has been answered many times. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. N/A I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. I wonder sometimes if the pastor didnt hit one of your sins and instead of getting you under conviction, you just got angry. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. N/A Abortion is murder. around the world wherever our Lord directs. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. 4. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. I have no position or opinion of this The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? The IFB are Pharisees of our day. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. All rights reserved. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. Such as??? I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. God works in mysterious ways. Hypocrites! Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. I must put it in Jesus Christ. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ.