I question the existence of the Tuck Rule. Whatever raider fans. It stated: NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. ", 2020 THE SUN, US, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED | TERMS OF USE | PRIVACY | YOUR AD CHOICES | SITEMAP, The 'tuck rule' became famous after a New England vs Oakland showdown in 2002, Brady in action during snowy conditions at what became known as the 'Tuck Rule Game'. Mike Martz proved to be a bad NFL head coach. You guys amaze me with your stupid rule book bs. Either the QB throws it or they secure itdropping the ball is a fumble. Were things run differently back then? if it was brady or peyton there never would of been this statement. Brady posted his confession on social media, rekindling a. I read an article saying that the wrong call was made Sure enough on certain angles you can see woodsons open hand swipe at the ball and missing. Afterwards, referring obliquely to the 2002 Tuck Rule Game, Patriots owner Robert Kraft said, "I love the tuck rule, and forever will, and I know [longtime Raiders owner] Al Davis, may he rest in peace, is probably smiling. In fact it is typically encountered about once a year by each team in the league. The Jets tied the game with a field goal on that drive before going on to win 103. Thirdly and finally, all you raider hacks owe every new englander a thank you! That being said, this is the NFL and it is what it is until they change it. The tuck rule was an exception to this rule. I dont even think Cassel was tucking the ball. Yet they did. Raiders fans wont be happy until anti-incest laws are repealed. I know this play has caused Raider fans and many other fans significant consternation over the years. In it's place, the following was added to the rule book: "If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble. whats a td what isnt (calvin johnson, arian foster and someone else) The game, played under a heavy snowfall, was the last at Foxboro Stadium. raidernationbaby says: It's not that the tuck rule is bad (that's a whole other thing I'm not gonna go into), it's that the call itself was shit. I would bet my house that the scumbag instructed goose to break gannons arm. To say that the Raiders simply were beaten by the Patriots is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. If you watch the replay of Cassels arm (or Bradys for that matter) you can clearly see that his arm is moving forward when he loses possession. He hit Brady HARD on the helmet and face mask.. That is why his helmet was sideways and also WHY the fumble happened in the first place It should have been roughing the passerPlain and simle.. For a decade as the NFLs head of officiating, Mike Pereira was the man who had to come forward publicly and defend the infamous tuck rule and the referees who applied it under controversial circumstances. The Raiderswent 10-6 and would have had to go on the road to Pittsburgh against the No. @tooz56 Is it any coincidence that that rule never came up until the last couple of years? While it appeared that Brady had tucked the ball back towards his body, the officials were not sure and ruled it a fumble so they could review the play. Only once the forward motion of the arm is completed, and the ball tucked into the quarterback's body, would a subsequent loss of possession be considered a fumble. If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble. [7] The owners abolished the rule with a 291 vote at the 2013 annual meeting in Phoenix on March 20, 2013. The Patriots went on to defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers, 2417, in the AFC Championship Game, and then defeated the NFC champions St. Louis Rams, 2017, in the February 2, 2002 Super Bowl XXXVI on a last-second field goal by Vinatieri. Bullshit. Football legend Tom Brady has admitted that his career could have gone very differently if it wasn't for a ruling which went his way in 2002. But that aint what this is Einstein this is an ACCEPTED AND ESTABLISHED RULE that was PROPERLY APPLIED. 1:13 pm ET. Everyone acts like they didnt drive down the field and have Vinatieri kick one of the most difficult field goals in league history, followed by driving down the field in OT to get another score. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.". For that matter, neither do most sports writers. Later in the quarter, Patriots receiver Troy Brown returned Shane Lechler's 37-yard punt 27 yards to the Patriots 46-yard line. Them I feel sorry for. Everybody Knows Pats ring dont mean nothing. In 2008, Brady suffered two torn ligaments during the Patriots' season-opening game with the Kansas City Chiefs. Wow! The Patriots were the #2 seed in the AFC playoffs, having posted an 115 winloss record in the regular season. Fact is, the refs blew that call and then the league tried to justify it by making a made-up interpretation of the rule. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I still say he had a personal stake in a Raider victory. By. he is no longer in the act of throwing. [1] Afterwards, Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs said, "It makes no sense to me. Pereira is right there with Walt Coleman in my book. If the decision had remained a fumble, it would have almost certainly sealed the game for Oakland. Keep the rule and let other teams feel the pain and sorrow I still feel from that cold wintry night 10 years ago "That's the way the play was called," Belichick said. It would be easier to make the call based on where the ball lands, regardless of if the QB is throwing or not. Except for two things. Replays showed there was no illegal contact. In the second half, New England almost completely abandoned its running game and relied on Brady's passing. But then, they wont have anything to whine about for the next ten years. Look at old game film highlights and you will never see a catch overturned that way. Referees initially called the play a fumble and awarded the Redskins a safety, but after instant-replay review cited the tuck rule in reversing the decision and calling it an incomplete pass. The most unnatural rule in football. The end of Tom Brady's long career arrived Tuesday as the seven-time Super Bowl champion announced his retirement from the NFL after 22 years. Outside of the winner of Super Bowl XXXVI, not much would have changed. Okay, now that this is figured out, what about spiking the football? "The five most significant plays in recent NFL history", "The NFL's 10 Greatest Postseason Games of the 2000s", "NFL rescinds 'tuck rule' The Boston Globe", "New York Jets at New England Patriots - September 23rd, 2001 - Pro-Football-Reference.com", "Holy Tuck: An oral history of the Raiders-Patriots Tuck Rule Game, which 15 years ago forever altered the NFL", "Best kick ever? February 1, 2022 8:06 am PT. He admits he got lucky in the first one.Brady's first postseason win, with the 2001 Patriots, featured the infamous "tuck rule" in which the officials on the field ruled that he fumbled, only to have replay overturn it to an incomplete [more] More like the Raiders started getting worn down near the end of the game, couldnt stop the Patriots offense or convert key third downs when it mattered. Brady, who recently announced his retirement, is now a seven-time Super Bowl champion who . I dont question whether the rule was correctly applied. And as for this clown harrisonhits2 says: Jan 11, 2011 12:11 PM. Throughout that game, the Patsies looked like crap with the exception of one drive in which Brady magically went 9 for 9 and threw a touchdown. Your explanations for years were at best inconsistent. Bad rule. It's been 10 years since the infamous tuck rule game, and the rule itself reared its ugly . Then, after a 33-yard punt by Walter gave the Raiders a first down on their own 49, a 22-yard reception by receiver Jerry Rice set up Janikowski's second field goal, from 45 yards, giving the Raiders a 133 lead with two minutes left in the third quarter. A ten year mental lapse thanks Mike! What about Bill Belichick? In the . Any ref that cannot see that Woodson clocked Brady in the side of the head causing him to lose possession should not have a job as a ref. Tge play wasnt even important in the chefs game but changed nfl history in the raiders game. Incomplete pass? And after causing a number of controversies for over a decade more, the rule was finally abolished by NFL chiefs in 2013. Blame the ones that make the rules- Perreira does a great job explaining the stupid a$$ sh!t. The Rams probably win another title, adding to the legacy of the Greatest Show on Turf. The Patriots went on to win the game and then win that year's Super Bowl against the then St. Louis Rams, starting the first of two Patriots dynasties and giving Brady his first of seven rings. Now to take a look at this play and the impact it had, let's take a time machine back to 2002. And since he'll retire after calling half the Pro Bowl later this month, he'll never get the chance. Sometimes you have to look past the ignorant terms and complex meanings inside a rule book and watch the damn play. No kidding Pereira. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/14/AR2005101401828_2.html. 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You had your chance the next season, and the Bucs beat you by 50 touchdowns. Once he saw a replay, Coleman quickly reversed his previous ruling, telling ESPN it was an "easy" call. (GIF) : nfl. [1] Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer lost the football while in the Broncos' own end zone. An existing rule was strengthened as a result of this. The Tuck Rule rules that his pass was incomplete. Jerry Jones believes Cowboys can keep Zeke and Pollard, NFL combine measurements for DBs: Full list of results, Jerry Jones believes Prescott can progress like Brady, NFL combine 2023 results tracker: Top performances, NFL combine 2023: Winners and losers from DB workouts, Report: Pollard to get franchise tag if deal isn't done. It was 10 years ago. "[12] Several Raiders players and observers also said that the Tuck Rule led to head coach Jon Gruden's departure from the team, as owner Al Davis was apparently angry that Gruden did not protest the call vehemently enough. Tuck rule or not the raiders got robbed. Nonetheless, Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon completed 10 of 14 passes for 87 yards. The hit that time came from Tony Bryant rather than Charles Woodson. The season had been wild for the Patriots, who began the year 02 after veteran quarterback Drew Bledsoe suffered a sheared blood vessel in his chest[6] in the game against the New York Jets. Brady began a passing motion, but then ceased, before tucking the ball with his left hand. During the game, one play and referee ruling makes this an iconic and one of the most controversial games in recent NFL history: The Tuck Rule play. Arm is moving forward, still in the throwing motion, they hit his arm and he let's go of the ball early and it hits the ground. I said might. It prohibits runners and defenders from lowering their heads and striking a forcible blow with. The Patsies had no timeouts and the Raiders would have simply downed the ball to end the game. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. But after looking at replays the officials invoked the tuck rule, thus handing Brady back the ball and the chance to save the game. The ruling made the game exceptionally hard to referee, as well as giving a big advantage to the quarterback. Raiders defensive backCharles Woodson tackled Brady, causing the ball to land on the field and allowing Oakland linebacker Greg Biekert to recover the football. Game was over and every player on the Raiders sideline was celebrating the victory only to be thrown back onto the field to win a game they had already won. Many thought it was a fumble, which would have essentially sealed the game for the away team. This is Bill Belichick were talking about; how many high-priced veterans have we seen him cast away from New England? The call was overturned upon review and ruled an incomplete pass, with the tuck rule cited. [wibbitz id=ba2b1026dd9d543798567c65a946e1b70 autoplay=false], Sign up for the For The Win newsletter to get our top stories in your inbox every morning. Dont let revisionist history fool you: This wasnt some great Oakland team that was destined to win it all. Tom Brady, after proving himself to the Patriots in 2001, gets the full time starting job still.The Pats would be a winning team throughout the decade, going as low as 8-8 to as high as 12-4. Such a tough call. Not happening. Im sure its no consolation to the many Raiders fans around the country. However, in the fourth quarter, Brady led the Patriots on a 10-play, 67-yard drive, completing nine consecutive passes for 61 yards and finishing it with a 6-yard touchdown run with 7:57 left that made the score 1310. While New England and Washington voted to keep it, Pittsburgh voted to keep it. Well, folks, The Bussy Contingency has been activated. What a bunch of little women the Oakland fans are. After a video-replay review, referee Walt Coleman reversed the call, declaring the play an incomplete forward-pass and giving possession back to New England. Before I continue, yes, the Tuck Rule made the difference in that game, for all of you Patriot fans out there. It was a call that was made exactly in the context of the rule, an admittedly bad rule which the competition committee has never thought wise to change. I'm not sure how it wouldn't be incomplete. ", The Raiders responded to the video on Twitter, saying, "Knew it.". https://t.co/0qXIiq5Ux9, Brady said, "The Tuck Rule game against the Raiders," then looked around as if to make sure no one was listening, adding, "might have been a fumble. It should have been inconclusive. And how its also ignored that the Pats lost a game that same year in large part to the tuck rule being called in favor of the Jets I believe. owners passed a rule by a vote of 31 to 1 that will enforce Coughlin's point. That said, my Raiders had multiple chances to stop them after that. Really? Mike Pereira: Time to create an unneccesary headline and go against everything I have ever said when working in the NFL so Fox can pimp me some more. Tuck Rule AKA F@cked Rule because someone always gets F@cked as a result of this rule!! It sure looks like it did, or even got really really close, but there's no way you can say it 100% didn't touch it, therefore you couldn't be able to overturn the call. ITS US AGAINST THE WORLD Thats what most Raiders fans cant ever grasp: it was not a bad call. On the play following the incomplete pass the Patsies would pull the same trick by having Brady take a hit on a pump-fake. And even Marshall Faulk started to decline after that 2001 season. He's allowed only two challenges per game, but if both challenges are successful, he's given a third. The ball should not have to be loose in the act of passing for it to be ruled incomplete. You had your chance the next season, and the Bucs beat you by 50 touchdowns Brady then completed a seven-yard pass to Kevin Faulk before scrambling for five yards and running out of bounds to the Patriots' sideline, picking up a first down at the Oakland 42. If the Raiders were that great how come they couldnt stop the Pats on one of the following plays ? 20 years later, the Tuck Rule remains one of the biggest and most polarizing moments in NFL history. The Tom Brady rule states that a defender on the ground who has not been pushed into the quarterback cannot lunge at a quarterbacks knee or lower legs. How about this rule. The Patriots should never had got that first Super Bowl. THE 'tuck rule' in the NFL is regarded as one of the most controversial in sports history. The current rule reads: Passer Tucks Ball. Buy Raiders Tickets. "[11], The Raiders complained extensively that the call was wrong, and that it was made against them because the league had a vendetta against the team, an attitude Oakland quarterback Rich Gannon said was "totally nonsense. Yes maybe it was the correct rule or whatever, I'm not arguing that. Sometimes you have to look past the ignorant fans and complex rationalizations they come up with and watch the damn play. Today marks the 15th anniversary of the most controversial use of replay in NFL history. Thus, I dont need the BS of Patsies. The pain can still be felt. New England ended up advancing into field goal range and an Adam Vinatieri 45-yard field goal sent the game into overtime. After he had begun a passing motion, Brady clearly ceased his throwing motion, pulled his right hand down below his shoulder and had touched the ball to his left hand when, coming off the strong side corner blitz, Charles Woodson knocked the ball out of Brady's hands. According Paragraph 3036 of Marine Corps Order P1020.34G, which governs uniform regulations, wearing an olive-drab undershirt while in cammies is optional, though in the case of parades . If the Raiders pull out the Tuck Rule game, they are probably losing one of their next two games, and doing so in embarrassing fashion. And the other Super Bowls he would have gone on to win would have sealed it. If they had called roughing the passer when Woodson gave Brady a forearm shiver to the side of the head like they should have the Raiders fans would have had to find something else to complain about for the last 9 years. Because I find it laughable to be told let it go by New England fans. But, then again, he had already built up that reputation as a defensive coordinator with the Giants his game plan for Super Bowl XXV against the Bills is actually in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Pereira opined on the tuck rule because it was applied on Sunday, when Chiefs quarterback Matt Cassel went back to pass and dropped the ball when he was hit by Baltimore's Lardarius Webb. But on replay, Carey said it was an incomplete pass because of the tuck rule. The fact that so many Raider fans are still this upset tells me that things have evened out for that bad call in 1976. While they were slightly out of field goal range, Brady dropped back to pass and dropped the ball after being hit by Woodson. Why? After the officials reviewed the play, it was determined Brady was in a throwing motion and was attempting to "tuck" the ball towards his body, therefore making it an incomplete pass and resulting in the Patriots keeping the ball. Geeze the moron Raider fans really come out over the tuck rule. With 1:50 left, Raiders cornerback Eric Allen, while lurking at the Patriots' sideline, heard Brady's talk with Weis. Has no one here ever heard of the Competition Committee ? All Rights Reserved. As a Raider fan, I have a different take on the matter. One, the Patriots are still moving forward from that moment and two, someone has to track down that old bastard Dreith and beat the truth out of him about his officiating in that playoff game. Exactly! I've brought it up before and gotten downvoted. this way its absolutely fair for both teams (given that you can agree that his arm was going forward).. To me problem solved, its intentional grounding. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Secret Base and Split Zone Duo's Steven Godfrey (@38Godfrey) joined us to talk about the upcoming college football season, which means we . If contact causes the ball to become loose, its a fumble. Get over it, pathetic Raiders fans. After this game, Mike Pereira, the former NFL vice-president for officiating, stated that he was no longer in support of the tuck rule.[6]. It's the way it's worded. 'I was self destructive' - Kelly Holmes opens up on depression, identity crisis and growing up in care in emotional post, Kurt Zouma set to play for West Ham as David Moyes calls him 'a really good lad' despite 'diabolical' cat kick video, Chelsea sweating on Tuchel Covid test result with private jet on standby to fly him to Club World Cup final vs Palmeiras, Seven times WWE turned real as stars got angry and REALLY attacked opponents including Brock Lesnar and Andre The Giant, 'He wronged me' - Eddie Hall reveals how 'hatred' of Game of Thrones' Hafthor Bjornsson started ahead of boxing fight, Chelsea star Jorginho out for revenge against Palmeiras in Club World Cup final - the team who rejected him as a kid, Aaron Ramsdales brother explains Arsenal star's celebration after he taunts Wolves fans following win. Great games shouldnt come down to a obscure rule that when seen by the human eye at games speed LOOKS LIKE A FUMBLE EVERY TIME! Tom Brady enjoyed a phenomenal 20 seasons with the New England Patriots.With a tenure that long, the future Hall of Fame quarterback made countless memories with the franchise. The newest 30 for 30 will, however, be streaming on ESPN+, which is available for $6.99/month,. I love how people give the raiders so much attention. If not, then watch the damn replay again and explain to me how in the hell that is not a fumble. The arm is moving forward in both cases. What channel is the NFL Network on Time Warner Cable? But now Pereira says the rule needs to be scrapped. Gruden was asked about the "Tuck Rule" before the Raiders played the Patriots at Gillette Stadium on Sept. 27 . Teams that were the victims of blown calls in big games? Now, in 1976, an old, blind ref name Ben Dreith, called a phantom roughing the passer penalty on Ray Hamilton of the Patriots in an AFC divisional against the Raiders. That ref had money on the game so he made up a rule. According to the exact wording of the rule, when a quarterback goes to pass the football, his hand is considered in throwing motion until the ball is completely stopped or pulled down in attempt to begin a run. The Raiders appeared to be dominating to this point of the game. Protect the ball and theres nothing to talk about. Future Hall of Fame quarterback Tom Brady admitted on Monday that the infamous play in the "Tuck Rule Game" may have been a fumble. The "tuck rule" grew in prominence in 2002, when an apparent Tom Brady fumble on this play was called back because of the rule. worst call in history of sports. Its really more sadness and pity than anything. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. The Tuck Rule has changed the careers of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick forever . So please, for the love of god, SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! US AGAINST THE MEDIA Iron supplements should not be taken at the same, The goal is to build up layers of paraffin by dipping in and out of the TherabathPRO. The rule not only changed how referees call the game, but it also altered the trajectory of TB12's career, according to . Who cares if they throw out the rule or not. The entire play was right in front of Ben Dreith and yet the flag stayed in the pocket. This is referred to as the tuck rule because the ball leaving the quarterback's hands is considered a forward pass even if the quarterback intends not to pass the ball, but instead continues the forward motion to tuck the ball back into his body. Gruden was dismissive of Davis' views on the matter, and the subsequent breakdown in relations between owner and coach led to Gruden being traded to Tampa Bay and becoming their head coach in 2002. lets 1)reinvent the rule book in the playoffs; 2) use the reinvention to OVERTURN the call on the field; 3) reward a qb who got made a fool out of on the play, and; 4) nullify an excellent defensive play. harrisonhits2 says: Jan 11, 2011 12:11 PM. Whine about 1976 all you want Patriot fans. Charles Woodson on the blitz knocked the ball from the QB's hand and the Raiders retrieved it, with the on-field decision a fumble and therefore a win for Oakland. First, the Tuck Rule was not only a bad rule, but it wasn't applicable on the basis of overwhelming evidence and the Raiders got screwed. Dont let the damn lawyers write the rules anymore. The tuck rule was implemented so refs wouldnt have to define the exact moment that a QB has stopped throwing, and instead is tucking the ball. We all no how that game SHOULD HAVE ended!! The Oakland Raiders were playing the New England Patriots, whose quarterback was Tom Brady. 2004-2023 CBS Interactive. It would make interpretation way more clear. The call against the Raiders was not the tuck rule. How about simplifying the rules regarding a catch while they are at it. Should it be changed?surebut that wont reverse history. WE WILL WIN! In Week 17 an incredible three games featured an example of these . It is the "Tuck" rule. The NFL championship was the first in the club's history and began a period of dominance for the Patriots in the 2000s and 2010s that included eight additional Super Bowl appearances with five more titles, in Super Bowls XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, and LIII. Simple. Some may find it surprising that many of the leagues passes target players behind the line of scrimmage. The nation was still recovering from 9/11. Tom Ruggie, one of RWE's principals, runs another RIA called Ruggie Wealth Management that keeps most of its $210 million of client assets with LPL Financial. I would support a rule change, although it took me a long time to get to this point, Pereira said. The way the rule was written, you could probably pump fake, pull the ball back, hang out for ten minutes, have a beer in the pocket, and then fumble, and it's incomplete. Oakland kneels on the ball and kills the clock. Some members of the plant subfamily Scilloideae are known as hyacinths, but they are not edible and, Copyright 2023 TipsFolder.com | Powered by Astra WordPress Theme. I've heard it as week 2 and also your later game against the Jets. The 106 Oakland Raiders were the #3 seed and had beaten the Jets in an AFC wild card game, 3824. Plain and simple. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The tuck rule was a controversial rule in American football used by the National Football League from 1999 until 2013. Future Hall of Fame quarterback Tom Brady admitted on Monday that the infamous play in the "Tuck Rule Game" may have been a fumble. It was the right call. Brady rushed in for a touchdown to cut the lead to 13-10. elyasm, the arm doesnt even have to be moving forward at the time the ball is knocked out to make it an incomplete pass. Walt Coleman hasn't refereed a single Raiders game since making the "tuck rule" call 17 years ago, a ruling that still reverberates throughout the league on occasion. Oh no, wait, Steelers fans would lose out then. 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