I have upgraded my driver and woods a few times over the years, but I have still not found a reason to drop my TA 845s. I flew up to Morton Grove and met with Mike. Matched them up with some Oil Hardened Tommy woods and a Ironmaster IMG putter. Going to take them out today. Most of the ones for sale have rifle shafts which is nice. Used to call them quarter to nines.nice clubs, great memories. I watched the Korn Ferry Qual at my local course the other day and some of the best players I have ever seen wont make a dime as pros. It was a $50,000 purse and Mike Campbell was the winner.. After the sale of Tommy Armour to Odyssey and without added money to the purses, the number of players fell significantly. Jack Nicklaus broke a lot of face inserts and his primary driver used through about '86 was repaired many times, and this using balata. They were slippy by the back nine. FOR SALE! tommy armour silver scot hybrid. Huffy, as it turned out, was sinking faster than anyone realized. Thank you I gamed the 845s back in the day, wonderful irons to play. Grew up seeing a lot of people playing with this set and I kinda knew that they were an iconic set in the history of golf like the Ping Eyes. MACGREGOR TOMMY ARMOUR V.F.Q. They look and feel like long irons should, with a straight leading edge, strong top line, generous offset, and a solid feel.. Naming the 845 is another lesson in the way things used to be. SWEET!!! Free shipping for many products! Same Modelsame Stated Regular FLex. Aren't you concerned you might bust up the woods hitting rocky range balls? Click below to begin your paid subscription. Great read and I really appreciate you sharing a little history of this great game with all of us. 855 HOT SCOT. Those seemed like a decent game improvement iron. Tennis & Racquet Sports; Apparel; Fan Shop; Help Center Value Guide. Get the best deals on Tommy Armour Vintage Golf Clubs & Shafts. Heres hoping the 845 Re-boot is as good as some of us suspect. Sold by @Gear4Good. If you don't need to bend them, they are a decent club. The one turn off was the small head, and aspect that has also turned me off from the Mizuno MP5. 2 through Wedge for $20 bucks after trading in the "then very popular" 855's. . Mine are waxed after every round. $24.99 USD Calculate Shipping. Wedge. TOMMY ARMOUR 845 V25 Forged Blade 3-PW Iron Set RH Stiff Flex Steel. $69.99. Iron Set. Great story about history in golf and reminds me of the good ole days when it didnt break the bank to buy a set of clubs. Way before I had interest in golf, but my hometown has a lot of history with MacGregor. They are just awesome and still totally playable irons. Nothing worse than a neck crack, I fought one of those in my favorite driver for years. Wow! Paste as plain text instead, They sure did give Ping a run for the money back then,as they were less expensive and performed as good. Convenient. I couldn't get my irons bent upright (clubmaker was afraid he'd break) so I sold my set. Thoroughly enjoyed the read, great job John. I did that for 15 years before going to work for PGA Golf and eventually Tommy Armour.. I live the wing back look. Both plays worked to perfection, if by perfection you mean disaster. With no marketing money, the company couldnt promote new products, which was fine because R&D had no money to develop new products. Up for sale is a set of Tommy Armour Forged Silver Scot Irons. One of the reasons the 845 was so successful is we had a really experienced sales team that loved selling clubs, said Hoeflich. I take them out whenever I feel I hit the ball well and, forged or not, with the Rifle set-up, they are excellent. TA Golf worked with Dr Gary Wiren on the development of the EVA and put a lot of money into it. I still have room for improvement on the former. By late 2002, Gen-X was sold to Huffy, the bicycle, and sporting goods company, for $19 million in cash plus five million shares of stock. They got replaced but it wasn't the same, and not as if MacGregor will replace yours now. Great story!! Dri-tac midsize grips than my my irons are even worth but it was totally worth it to me to make them even more playable after all these years! The 845 Forged Evo cavity was a missed opportunity by many golfers. If given a choice between a new TA branded club/set or a three year old from a major brand, people seemed to pick the marked down club from the major brand. Started 44 minutes ago. When I saw Freddy and Calcavecchia gaming these things, I knew I had to switch to the 845s. TOMMY ARMOUR 845 V25 Forged Blade RH Stiff Flex Steel Check Details. MACGREGOR TOMMY ARMOUR V.F.Q. Tommy Armour Silver Scot Cavity Back Forged TaylorMade 2023 Product Testing and Fitting Experience At The Kingdom! I've asked around and heard different views. You can say its success ultimately led to Tommy Armours demise and youd be right. Who cares about a club that absolutely no one plays anymore? in Golf Talk, By They are a pleasure to play with and if I had to thin out my clubs ,They would be one of three sets that would.make the cut even though I have several top shelf sets of much more expensive clubs. The 845 irons were my favorite set of irons ever. . There is a book out there by Jim Kaplan that lists the MacGregor catalogs and history from 1930s thru 1970s. They're also playing about 6 miles from my home, at Trump Washington DC (in Sterling VA). Well Done, John. Not sure if anyone can help, but I have a set of TAs and I cant seem to find where in their history they come from. As part of the deal, Michael Magerman Odysseys 33-year-old co-founder and president was named Tommy Armours president and CEO. Ill always be proud to have been a part of building one of golfs iconic weapons. Im rooting for the latest incarnation to be a big success. The irons were too big and bulky, especially the Super Game Improvement version. Tommy Armour: Year: 845s Oversize: 1998: 845s Oversize Reduced Offset: 1999: . Progressive offset. I dont think they did themselves any favors when they introduced the Atomic lineup. Was: AU $621.82. 7 = OK Club. I still have my old woods in the closet (PGA Tommy Armours from the late 70's and a set of Golfcraft Dick Mayers from the 50's) but I'd be too scared to actually hit balls with them ever again. Driver: EXS10.5, weights neutral ||FWs:Rogue4W + 7WHybrid: Big Bertha OS4H at 22 ||Irons: Mavrik MAX 5i-PWWedges: MD3:48,54MD4:58|| Putter:Inertial NM SL-583F, 34"Ball: QStar Tour - Divide ||Bag: Three 5 stand bag. All Major Brands. I think they are forged, just form-forged like the old clevelands. NEW RH Cobra LTDX Iron Set Steel REG-5-G. Ben Hogan APEX PC 3-E Iron Set? Tommy Armour 845s SilverScot 3 and 4 Irons RH. AMAZING CHARM, Maroon Schutt DNA Football Helmet - Adult Large. MATERIAL GRAPHITE . $22.32 shipping. And there had been nothing compelling in Tommy Armours pipeline since the 845s launch. By October, Huffy filed for Chapter 11. Learn how your comment data is processed. Not gaming them anymore but they are down in my basement. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Well done business-lesson case story John. These aren't the Colokroms although I have recently bought a set of Tommy Armour 945 Colokroms. Go back to your Golf Digest Hot List ya hoser. AU. Where to start? GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, Tuesday at 04:47 PM, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 20, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 13, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, February 6, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, January 31, By The best story will receive the #1/500 set of Tommy Armour 845 Forged irons. . By that time, Burke was marketing clubs under the name PGA Golf under a licensing agreement with the PGA of America. 845 TI INSERT. Spec-wise, the 845s featured a 36-degree 7-iron and light swing weights ranging from C9 to D1 in stiff flex. I ran a GOLF Day store in the late 90s and we sold a ton of 845s irons, everything that followed from Tommy Armour couldnt come close to the 845s. TA1. I was a Hogan staff member until I left the game in 72.. Did not pick up a club for 10 years but later got a set of the early 845S irons. Management loves the top line but the necessary investment in production capabilities, assembly personnel, customer service, sales, marketing, warehousing, accounts payable, accounts receivable, and other overhead can put serious stress on the bottom line and on working capital. A deal was finally struck in July of 85 and, after working out a deal with the Armour family (Tommy Armour died in 1968), PGA Golf officially became the Tommy Armour Golf Company. Saw these offered for around $150 free shipping and thought I'd give them a try before I spent $1000 or more on Mizuno or Miura. Now, if the club has cracks, a loose insert, the wood is proud around the insert, loose whipping, or the finish is gone, I wouldn't hit it with any ball unless I didn't care about it. Too many things did go wrong for TearDrop. Did you read it or just skim over it? C $267.01 . . By the end of 97, TearDrop purchased RAM Golf for $10 million and Tommy Armour for $24 million. The company squeezed every last dollar out of those sticks, too, selling more than 660,000 sets over that time. Great article, on great irons. where there was a golf tournament. 2 spot in irons behind PING. The plan paid immediate dividends with staffers Jim Gallagher and Davis Love III copping wins that first year. ADD TO CART. Titleist SM6 58 S Grind I'm not sure about the Silver Scots not being forged, but the 845c and 845m are. I gamed them up until this past fall when I opted to get a set of newer GI irons. My first full set of irons at age 9 were Armour Silver Scot circa around 1950. I'm glad I did. MyGolfSpy Integrity in Advertising Promise. I sent the irons to my Dad, and he like the distance and forgiveness of the clubs. I dropped off the youngest and the wife at Disney then spent the day at Kennedy space Center. Let's first get some things out of the way these irons aren't going to go and compete with a Mizuno or Miura forging. TOMMY ARMOUR SILVER Scot PGA Pitching Wedge RH TT Dynamic Regular Steel (R14) - EUR 7,92. The course is packed pretty solid this time of the year. I have the Silver Scot MB Blades and I also love them. The Silver Scot Tour Blades are a big part of the new line and provide golfers with a quality blade at a great price. Funny the guy who designed them also did DCI and Taylormade RAC, because I moved to the RAC LTs from the 845s. August 13, 2014 in Clubs, Grips, Shafts, Fitting. i hit a shot with the newly purchased tommy armour silver scot hybrid 18* stiff shaft model and it goes right down the middle roughly 230 yards. i was just wondering if anyone plays or had palyed these irons. WE compared 4 irons and the length and sole were pretty much the same. At nearing 77, a severe stroke, two knee replacements and hit by an automobile while waking, I am blessed to still be able to afford and play the greatest game on earth seven days a week here in Sarasota Florida at Palm Aire Country Club. But, ultimately, any club carrying the 845 name has to do one thing and thats perform. Sadly it also embraces the ptifalls of overnight success, there is never a first time homerun. That, ultimately, is how Sports Authority came to own the Tommy Armour Brand. Since then I moved to Calloway but my 845s 56 degree is still in my bag and delivers great results in and out of the bunker including some short lobs. Its called the Bad Decision Playbook for a reason. Its a lesson in how tremendous success often sows the seeds of failure. Your credit card or PayPal account will be charged. 380 yard par four. If you have a super high swing speed, any ball can be a problem. If they keep up their end on the quality, then their price controls could turn this into a real profit monster without the shddy workmanship of other store brands. For a while the Eye2 irons were off limits to players and some tour players switched to the 845 with Mark Calcavecchia being the most notable. On the other hand, Tommy Armours sales had doubled to nearly $50 million since the launch of the 845s. how's the feel on these irons? Love the feel and look of the irons and they play well. Magerman was bullish on Tommy Armours future, saying, somewhat prophetically, this company will look very different a year from now.. Mike. I'm the guy that said they may not be forged. . 2 irons; 3 irons; 4 irons; 5 irons; 6 irons; 7 irons; 8 irons; 9 irons; Pitching Wedges; Gap Wedges; Sand Wedges; . 1 iron in the game was the PING Eye2 so Hoeflich figured hed start there. Thank you for all your help John, and for the kind words. They go far when I hit them correctly. Free shipping for many products! But I guessHaters gonna hate., I didnt know that the 845 and DCI had the same designer, but Im not at all surprised. I just hope that TA and Dicks get the 845s right and more inline with the look and feel of the major OEMs. Nike Japan Forged Blade MB 3-P / DG S300 (S) Flex (8x Pieces) Excellent Cond. Shot some of my best scores with these until they were stolen. it only costs 60 to 70 dollars brand new so its definitely worth. The feel is closer to my PW than my 52 and 56, and the price was right. TearDrop had been a financial mess until Slucker who made so much money in the hardware business he was able to retire at age 40 came to the rescue. 845 EVO V-31: 2000: 845 EVO V-31 Reduced Offset: 2000: 845 EVO-V 25: 1999: 845 EVO V-31: 2000: 845FS SilverScot: 2003: 845u Silver Back: 2003: 845cm SilverBack: 2003: 845c SilverBack: 2003: 845m SilverBack: 2003: Back to Irons Specifications | Back to Main Page . I played Celebration and Falcons Fire( twice each). Great club! The Tommy Armour 845 - The fascinating back story of one of golf's most iconic irons. Tommy Armour Silver Scot Forged Irons 3-PW right hand standard length and lie with the Rifle 5.0 Factory Flighted Shafts and like new Grips. That unprecedented success not only changed Tommy Armours fortunes, but also those of a key competitor. Beautiful clubs still have full set on down to 1 iron. Tommy Armour 855s Silver Scot 5 - 19, 3 - 15 Wood-Regular 855s . Otherwise - pull the shafts - would still be value for money. Does anyone know which ones they are? Hello. CPMs difference . Titleist SC Studio Design 2.5/Cleveland HB 11S. If my memory serves me right, the 845 hit the market just as Ping and the USGA started arguing over the Eye2. I captained the freshman team, but was never able to break into the starting line up my sophomore year. Articles, Upper Deck Highlights Different Hockey Card Products, Re-Examining 1991 Classic Draft Football Cards, Kobe Bryants Jersey Auctioned for Over $5 Million. tommy armour 855s irons. It was, in every way, the perfect product with a perfect message targeted at the perfect audience at the perfect point in time. What a well written and well researched article. Dayton Ohio sure does have history and not only with MacGregor. Hybrid. You cannot paste images directly. Single Irons; Shafts & Components . I played the MacGregor MT (1972) "flatsole" irons from 1974 to 1994. Sonartec NP-99 14* and 17* - NV Green 85 Driver: Nike Sasquatch 460 9* w/ ProForce V2 72gr stiff tipped 3/4", Fairway: Calloway 2017 Steelhead XR Strong 4 wood, Putter: Wilson Staff Balance Fit Kirk Currie III. Golf Club at the best online prices at eBay! Not sure, but I couldn't find a threadaddressing vintage (40s,50s,60s,70s) Macgregor clubs. Once Hoeflich and his team had a general idea of what they wanted, Hoeflich went to California to work with R.G. Obviously a lot of us. Gloves; Tees; Towels; Divot Tools; Ball Markers; Training & Aids . Tommy Armour 855s Golden Scot Men's Graphite Sr Flex Iron Set 4-SW 394471874309. $10,500. Posted July 3, 2007. or Best Offer. Tommy Armour. The Central Florida Golf Tour was founded in 1989. Buy why? Probably late 50s Driver: Titleist 910 D-3; 9.5* Diamana Kai'li3-Wood: Titleist 910F; 15* Diamana Kai'liHybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'liIrons: Titleist 695cb 5-PwWedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's; 56-14 F grind and60-11 K grindPutter: Scotty CameronKombi SBall: ProV1. I didnt take up golf until the 90s when Tommy Armour was going out of business. Callaway came with a big check $130 million that July and bought Odyssey (the rest is history), and ownership put the word out that Tommy Armour could be had if the price was right. #4. Being that I have not see these in person would you consider the head size: A. event.. I bring em with the old blades and hit the blades mostly. But in the early 80s, the Mark Scot clothing line with Sansabelt slacks was really popular, so the sales team segued into soft goods. I acquired a set of Macgregor M75 Tourney irons and MT Tourney woods that have LTWA stamped on the bottoms. Driver. The Atomic irons straddle the line between game improvement and super game improvement. Not bad for a guy who spent his early working life pitching Shakespeare to teenagers. Fred Couples played the 845s and both Freddie and John Daly played Maxfli. Brand Tommy Armour; Head Weight 271 "C" Dimension 1.464; Basic VCOG 0.765; Moment of Inertia (MOI . I actually gave them to my brother in law about 10 years ago and he just had them re-gripped and is still using them. That's rightyou get a brand new, still-in-the-plastic club to try for two weeks for just $25. Next Hooters restaurants, Mike McNeil agreed to add $50.00 per week to the purse provided we change the name to the Hooters Tour. At the time was an x 100 player. I probably own 18 sets of these vintage beauties. buisthreeputt; Jul 31, 2005; General Golf . It was a wonderful design, structurally 100% comprised of a beautiful alignment feature with a back weight. PEND. . No one was using graphic designers or product development people the way they do today. Clubs that are played need the poly or varnish refreshed occasionally. The Tommy Armour 845s irons were introduced to the sales force at a meeting at the American Resort in Wisconsin in August of 1987. Page One says cut expenses by slashing R&D and marketing to the bone. Page Two says cut prices to make the sales numbers look good to investors, margin be damned.. Greens were slower than I expected( I guess about a 9-9.5) In 1985, Hoeflich was promoted to VP of Marketing. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Nice Left Handed Ping Heppler FLOKI 34" Putter w/Cover Strong Arc #327923 at the best online prices at eBay! I have a few sets on M85's. Reply dwigt16 . Richard in UK. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Thats not surprising since the 845s long irons have been designed for power and accuracy. TearDrop filed for bankruptcy, having never turned a profit during its three-year stewardship, leaving behind an army of unpaid creditors. The grounds crew has been at it hard for a while now. What a great article and history, sad to say I spent the 80s sort of affiliated with Tommy Armour and didnt know it, I was selling Victor Calculators and PCs lol. Also, I have seen a set of Nicklaus's with rifle flighted's. $52.99 shipping. Still have them and take a coupl to the range now and again. Traded them for my first set of forged Hogan Edges and always regretted it (even though Ive never stopped playing forged since). . Not sure which year but I am guessing one of the later production years in the mid 90s because my set do not have the loft stamps on the face of the club like the original sets from the 80s had. We found CPM variations as wide as 10-12., Nickents USTs 85 MPH Rated Shafts were more like 2-4. 150 ono. Vibratory finish. You are looking at a used VINTAGE SET of MENS RIGHT handed 354616939982 . All Shafts & Components; Club Heads; Shafts; Shaft Sets; Grips; Grips Sets; . I played the 845s for several years and still own the set. I happen to know more than I should about MacGregor forged irons of the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's. The Ben Hogan Company, fearing being left in the dust by the 845s, launched its own perimeter-weighted iron: the Hogan Edge. My first set of irons,hand me downs from my dad, were VIPs. Men's Right Handed. Yes they are weaker lofted by todays standards (for example my Callaway Diablo Edge 7i is 32deg, the same as an 845s Silver Scot 6i). NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! Brings out shiny set of 845 bc beryllium copper. Upload or insert images from URL. . I don't have a reference for you, been looking for one for years myself, just had to comment on those clubs. I have been using the cb's now for a few weeks. As an experiment we once lined up a handful of the latest Big Bertha Driver, all with the Factory Cally Shaft. anybody have this expierance?? The USGA won the fight but Ping won the War. They really did have something going on. I told the owner what I had in mind for an iron, Hoeflich said, and that was to duplicate the technology behind the PING Eye2 in terms of locating the center of gravity in the same place in each iron, which was kind of a revolutionary concept at the time.. AND still own TWO (2) Nickent Pipe putters. Im one of a few people I know who use Hoeflichs Nickent Pipe Putter, which still has a cultish following. One of the most famous golf clubs from Tommy Armour was the 845 Silver Scot irons. I probably own 18 sets of these vintage beauties. If you have questions about this era ofg, Just buffed up, lengthened a half inch and regripped a set of MT Tourney. It came with a custom fitting system. Hoeflich is one of my golf heres as I used to bang the drum for Nickent Golf years ago when they were a true up and comer. Would it also surprise you to learn he was not an engineer or even an experienced club designer? Sign up for a new account in our community. When the 845 came out, the guys just jumped all over it.. 1995 was the beginning of the end for Tommy Armour, even though it didnt look that way. Troubled waters started churning for PGA Golf in 1982. It was a work of precision Engineering. 845 FORGED (2) Show More. SN# M2217. I got mine on ebay for $158 shipped from proshopwarehouse.com. I would probably be hesitant to hit a truly collectible club, but there aren't many that fall into that category. 13 watching. Just slightly sneaky from a self proclaimed unbiased Truth Digest. They are a Royal Armour full set with black and yellow Royal Armour pads on the irons, and shafts say Armour Lite Mid Flex True Temper Made in USA. Great article. It reduced Tommy Armour and the 845s to an embarrassingly low-priced, low-quality house brand. Tommy Armour 845s Silver Scot 8 Iron - NICE! The sports retailer snapped up Huffys assets within days of the Chapter 11 filing. Next up in the ownership chorus line was the Canadian scooter and snowboard company Gen-X, which bought now-bankrupt TearDrop/Tommy Armour in early 2001. In other words, a better-looking PING Eye2. Cleveland 54* and 59* - Dynamic Gold But that's to be expected when you sell 660,000 sets over a seven-year period. By 1999, Tommy Armour released the TA 845 EVO line, the first true replacement for the 845s. SOLD. PGA Golf had been a mostly unspectacular performer throughout its history, but that former English teacher we mentioned was about to shake things up but good. Sports i look forward to seeing what Dicks has in the pipline. The only difference is the TA's have a slightly curved topline right to the 3 iron where as the Nike's stopped at the 7. It was a good club but as noted in the article, wasnt supported by the retailers.. Golf / Clubs / Wedges. pend) irons for less than $50 back in 2017. The top line is quite thick, but there's less offset than you might expect . Minty TaylorMade Sim2 Max-D 9.0* Driver Head Only Sim 2 MaxD 9.0* Driver Head. Being that I have not see these in person would you consider the head size: A. One other question for anyone out there. My father-in-law loaned me his set of Ping Eye 2 irons to start, but after a year or 2 he missed them so I went shopping. Before we developed the tooling, I went to a club in Chicago Sunset Ridge, he said. They were cool to look at though- and still are. I played each off the second to back tees the first time and each off the tips the second time. Callaway X Forged Irons Golf Clubs, Tour Edge Iron Golf Club Head Covers; Additional site navigation. By But that seems to be the biggest issue right now, it is considered a house brand. Well Done $, I still have my set . He told me he and his boss, Bob McNally would be in Florida and wanted to meet with me at the Innesbrook Golf Course. I preferred Celebration, but thats maybe because I holed a shit load of putts both times. But you can also say the company was a victim a pawn in a much larger chess match between corporations and personalities that didnt know their own limitations. I still have a set of 845s that my wife purchased for me as a gift in 1990. Powered by Invision Community. **TOMMY ARMOUR GOLF TRAVEL BAG** $150 (Honolulu) . I happen to know more than I should about MacGregor forged irons of the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's. Theyd also show the 845 and the customers would say, Im only going to stock one club, do you want it to be the 845 or the EQL? The sales reps were no idiots. In 1961, Comptometer merged with the Victor Corporation, another Chicago adding machine company. Detriot Red Wings Pavel Datsyuk Adult XL JERSEY!!! It seems nearly every golfer has a story involving the original Tommy Armour Silver Scot 845s. Good read, had those irons for yearseveryone can take note about how the game of golf is played with clubs, and the business of golf is made by selling clubs.and even the best have to be updated someway to grow and keep companies going.see why there are new lines of clubs every year.If Ping still made Eye2s we would all be playing better golf but they would be going our of business.. What well written walk through equipment history. Its a damn shame Nickent bet the farm on the adjustable driver with a $500 price tage right before the great recession hit. Somehow a TA club almost always makes it in the top 5 or 10 recommended clubs. Plus, the price point was decent, especially for a house brand. That both companies were relative bargains should have been a warning. They had the basic idea down but what was missing was what we now call visual technology, something sales reps and the consumer could latch on to. Ive got the muscle backs as my back-up set (primary set is X-tour) and they are great. And that iconic font on the back that put a ribbon and bow on the iconic look of the 845s? Gen-X had no background in golf so it teamed up with GolfWorks and Ralph Maltby in hopes of turning chicken-you-know-what into chicken salad.
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